Jack explains plans American retirement plan loans

This article came from a comment by Jack Towarnicky

It comes as we consider the question  raised by timothy Lancaster;-  “should we help employees in debt before encouraging saving.”

I don’t know what the rules are in the UK, but in the states, 80+% of 401k plans in the states have a ready made solution – 401k plan loans. All qualified plans, including pension plans, could permit plan loans.

Plan loans are tax-free liquidity.

Done right”, plan loans improve both household wealth AND retirement preparation.


The process is:

Save

Get employer match

Invest

Accumulate earnings

Borrow to meet a short term need

Adjust your asset allocation because the plan loan principal never leaves the plan but becomes a different kind of fixed income investment

Repay the loan which continuing to make regular contributions

Rebuild the account for a future, larger need

Repeat as necessary up to and throughout retirement


What is “done right?”

Done right includes three features:

First, electronic banking. Essential because, at least in the states, people frequently change employers, median tenure of American workers has been less than 5 years for the past 7 decades.

Second, a line of credit structure. Essential so that people know what liquidity they have access to on any given day, that there are minimal limits on the number of times individuals can access liquidity, so hat they do not borrow more than they need to meet a specific need.

Third, behavioral economics tools, processes and concepts designed to maximize the likelihood of repayment. Essential options include authorizing repayment from the individual’s bank account (so that an interruption in employment isn’t an interruption in repayment), reporting the loan to the credit bureaus, having the participant effect a “commitment bond” – a promise to repay, having the participant sign off on the loan application as both the borrower (current self) and lender (future self), having the participant confirm that they have access to liquidity from another source should employment end.


Why will this improve both household wealth and retirement preparation?

First, the individual won’t take the plan loan unless it is superior to other liquidity sources – meaning that it will have a favorable impact on household wealth compared to say a cash advance on a credit card or a personal loan.

And, for the past 18 years, the plan loan interest rate is typically less than the rate on debt from a commercial source, and greater than the rate on fixed income investments offered within 401k plans.


More reading

See: https://www.federalreserve.gov/pubs/feds/2008/200842/200842pap.pdf

See: https://401kspecialistmag.com/top-10-401k-plan-loan-myths-misdirections-and-misrepresentations/

See: https://401kspecialistmag.com/more-leakage-deeper-in-debt/

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Three passions; football , independence and governance; thanks LCP!

I am so pleased to have been given the opportunity to attend the LCP’s discussion on the challenge offered to football by an independent football regulator.

When I grew up, I supported Bournemouth and for reasons to do with Governance I changed to Yeovil. Bournemouth have flourished since I left and Yeovil been relegated.

I want to understand more about the future taking these two teams as examples. There is no fan who isn’t impacted by how their club is run and regulated and there are many clubs that exist below the reach of the new football club licensing regime. It is great that LCP, which one of its two main offices in London, the other in Winchester, is also close to my heart!

So at 4.30 pm this afternoon I will be at this event and I hope that I will be able to report on what I hear. In the meantime, I will be catching up on the documents linked to this blog and hope that some readers will as well.D

Well done LCP.

In their joint response to the consultation from the Independent Football Regulator (IFR) on its proposed club Licensing Regime, LCP and the Law Debenture Corporation plc (LawDeb) are calling for the new club licensing system to be strong, transparent and proportionate.

The club licensing regime is designed to improve financial stability across English men’s club football. All 116 clubs in the top five tiers will need a licence to compete from the 2027/28 season.

In their consultation response, LCP and LawDeb have raised several points that they believe need to happen for the regime to be efficient and effective:

  • The IFR should outline more clearly how proportionality will work across the five tiers, given the new regime will need to cover organisations of greatly variable size and resource. More detail would provide greater clarity for clubs and a clearer roadmap of what obligations they will have.
  • The IFR should require higher levels of security from club owners for potential future losses, through either greater levels of liquid assets held within clubs, or with legally binding guarantees and/or contingent assets – though this will need to be phased in carefully.
  • Stress testing should acknowledge the costs and risks of moving up the pyramid through promotion, as well as down through relegation.
  • The IFR’s Club Code should strengthen board governance: through requiring a minimum board size of at least three directors; mandatory director training on the structure and culture of club football in England; and IFR-led boardroom diversity monitoring
  • Club strategy and corporate social responsibility should form part of supporter groups’ advisory remit

Aaryaman Banerji, Head of Football Governance at LCP commented:

“The club licensing regime is a central part of the Independent Football Regulator’s role. It will be critical in fostering greater financial discipline across the football pyramid and in protecting key stakeholders, including fans. For that reason, it is vital that the new licensing system is built on a strong and transparent framework. LCP and LawDeb believe the recommendations set out in this consultation response can play an important role in shaping that regime for the better.”

Patrick Davis, Head of UK Corporate Secretarial Services at LawDeb, added:

“Getting the Club Code right — and ensuring that directors are equipped to act in the best interests of their clubs while reflecting the unique culture of English football — will be essential to an effective club licensing regime. Our recommendations for a minimum of three directors on the board of any regulated club, along with mandatory training for directors on the structure and culture of club football in England, should significantly strengthen this.”

LCP and LawDeb recently published a joint report, Football Governance in Transition, which analysed the board composition of the 116 regulated clubs and called for reforms to improve board diversity, director competence, and minimum governance standards.

LCP and LawDeb have also submitted responses to IFR consultations covering Information Gathering and Enforcement, the Owners, Directors and Senior Executives (ODSE) Regime, Sanctions, and Internal Reviews which can be read here.

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Is financial services doing well? “we’ll hear it is today

There are many reasons for those working in the City to feel concerned. There is a log in any signs of recovery that our public markets are recovering, we are going through a lag in recovery in house prices after the pounding the housing took in the second half of last year. Our pensions have been raided by those older than 55 anxious about tax privileges being taken from their private savings. Politically, the Conservatives, seem to have turned into the party of the posh and a party of failure.

We have not got behind the Labour party as our party of financial revivification and that is what needs to happen , in my opinion.

This morning, our Chancellor will deliver a speech that she and this Government believe, should give us finance folk – courage.

Rachel Reeves will today (on Monday)  argue the City of London is entering a “new golden age” thanks to changes in tax and regulation that smooth the path for companies to raise money in the UK.

After a long-running dearth of UK listings, bankers are cautiously more optimistic about the prospects for this year and the chancellor is keen to seize on any evidence that her push to ease restrictions on the City is leading to a pick-up in activity.

While pensions is a step away from City trading, we are the driving force behind the City’s optimism and frustration. For nearly two decades, pensions are sending negative signals to the City as a place of investment. Pensions have been taking money from UK equity markets and reinvesting in gilts and corporate bonds as DB pensions “de-risk”. Pension saving has been into DC plans that invest passively around the world to a point that our largest DC plan (Nest) has only 4% of our money invested in UK equity markets.

I think that things have to change and that the message is at last getting through. We have recently seen the clampdown on DB pensions by insurers promoting bulk annuities, being challenged. We are seeing consolidation of DC plans to a point where they can take an active stance in investment. We are seeing the opening salvo from the Royal Mail CDC plan, at last being echoes by employers who want to see pensions invest in UK stocks ( not least their’s).

Of course this is a very cautious optimism at the London Stock Exchange and similarly in Pensions UK and the various organisations that represents trustees, financial service providers, sponsors and (in future) proprietors. The weight of money to be made is still in “de-risking” and consultants, insurers and large employers are still referring to buy-in and then buy-out of occupational pensions as “gold-plated”. They have been encouraged by the praise offered to American private equity firms buying into the process by snapping up PIC, Just and most recently Utmost. Praise came from Rachel Reeves, at an unpropitious time for a process that was already moving towards growth.

We cannot have it both ways and I hope today, that our City fathers will listen to a Rachel Reeves more in tune with the speeches I have listened to by Torsten Bell. Torsten Bell, our pension manager has shown courage in his exhortation to a hall full of pension investment leaders in Edinburgh last March.

“Get real”

We need to invest in the UK. This is the message this morning from Rachel Reeves. We need the whispering of our Prime Minister to the United States to become louder. We need to assert ourselves at Davos, all this is big politics but it needs to be backed up by the fortitude and determination of those managing money and in particular, those of us managing pension money. We need to get real about Britain’s potential to grow.

We will hear today that financial services is doing well – hear it from our Chancellor. We have heard the same from our Pensions Minister. We now need a determination amongst those managing pension funds, advising them and those building new structures , to make it clear that we will “get real” and “get growth” into the British economy.

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When a horse makes everyone happy- Protektorat at Windsor one Sunday in January!

This article is from Racing Post and is for me and my party who watched on from the final fence and after Protektorat’s victory from the winners parade.

I’m so happy to have been at a racecourse at a time when a horse, a rider and thousands of people were as one in happiness!

Taken from a phone by a smiling Plowman – Protektorat and Harry Skelton

‘This is what they’ve come for’ – Protektorat raises the roof with repeat Fleur de Lys win to smash through £1m barrier

Protektorat sent Windsor into raptures after completing back-to-back wins in the Fitzdares Fleur de Lys Chase, and in the process secured his status as a millionaire. 

Eleven going on seven, Protektorat was a handful from start to finish for rider Harry Skelton, but when the chips were down he came back swinging to register a popular three-and-three-quarter-length win in the feature race on the final day of the Berkshire Winter Million.

It was another significant victory for Dan Skelton in his bid to become champion jumps trainer in Britain, with Protektorat among three winners at the riverside track for the title leader, who also landed a treble at Fakenham. Skelton has now earned more than £2.8 million this season, while the £85,000 first prize took Protektorat’s career earnings to £1,007,059.

“This is what they’ve come for,” said winning rider Harry Skelton, who insisted Protektorat was paraded front and centre after the race. “It’s a great atmosphere and this is jump racing at its best. People come out to see good horses, and Protektorat has broken the £1 million marker.”

Best going left-handed, the return of the figure of eight configuration to Windsor’s jumps track wasn’t necessarily in Protektorat’s favour, and Skelton had his work cut out trying to negotiate the right-hand turns.

“He’s the hardest ride as a jockey I’ll probably ever have; he’s just hard to handle,” said the rider. “He loves running left-handed and runs with his head to one side. He can be very keen early on, but he has the constitution and will to win.”

Protektorat, who is owned in partnership by Sir Alex Ferguson, Ged Mason and the Hales family, was the last big winner for the late John Hales when scoring in the same race last year, and Skelton highlighted what a priceless horse the winner has been to everyone connected with him.

“For me to have a horse who has done what he’s done for my family and for those owners is incredible,” he added. “Whatever happens we’ll always remember Protektorat, and John Hales will be looking down and feeling very proud.

“These horses are really hard to find. He’s a racehorse – he wants to run. He’s a pleasure to have.”

Protektorat was cut to 16-1 (from 20) with Coral to repeat his 2024 win in the Ryanair Chase, although there was a distinct feeling that this was the day his season revolved around.

“He defies logic,” said assistant trainer Tom Messenger, currently running the Skelton show as his boss, who is 1-9 with Paddy Power to win a first title this season, enjoys a holiday in Barbados. “No horse should be able to go out that hard and keep going, but he’s got the greatest temperament and never lies down.

“He does a lot of things a little bit wrong, but a lot of things very, very right. He’s one in a million, and he’s nicked a million quid now.”

Having seen off the challenge of Handstands, Protektorat then kept Resplendent Grey at bay in the closing stages, with connections of the runner-up delighted with the performance of their eight-year-old.

“He’s run a cracker giving Protektorat weight and was back to his best,” said Resplendent Grey’s trainer Olly Murphy. “The winner has been an unbelievable servant to connections and our one has run very, very well to finish where he has. I don’t know what we’ll do next, but he’s one for these types of races.

“It’s sharp around here and he was in top gear from the moment he jumped off, but the one thing he does is stay very well.”

Ryanair Chase (Cheltenham Festival, March 12)
Coral: 6-4 Fact To File, 6 Gaelic Warrior, Janjo Baie, 8 Jonbon, Majborough, 10 Heart Wood, Romeo Coolio, The Jukebox Man, 14 Banbridge, Impaire Et Passe, 16 Il Etait Temps, Protektorat, 20 bar.

 

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How employers can help staff in debt!

I published a quote from Timothy

Byron McKeeby says:

I’m reminded of a once popular parable which illustrates the circulation of money in a small community.

Sometimes referred to as “The Parable of the $100 Bill,” a story that explains how a single note can appear to clear substantial debts within a town.

(I’ve heard other versions set in Ireland in the days of the punt.)

The Story of the $100 Bill goes like this:

In a small, struggling town, 100% of the residents are in debt, and times are hard.

A rich tourist walks into the town’s one hotel, lays a crisp $100 bill on the counter, and goes upstairs to check out the rooms.

The hotel owner immediately takes the $100 bill and runs next door to pay his debt to the pig farmer.

The pig farmer takes the $100 and rushes down the street to pay the feed store owner for supplies.

The owner of the feed store takes the money and runs to pay his debt to the local prostitute.

She then rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill to the hotel owner.

The hotel owner places the $100 bill back on the counter just as the tourist returns, saying the rooms are unsatisfactory, so he pockets his money, and leaves town.

The Outcome

No one earned anything, and the tourist left with his original money.
However, the entire town is now out of debt and looks to the future with a little more optimism.

Key Themes of the Story

Velocity of Money: The same banknote was used by a whole lot of people in a short time, clearing multiple debts.

Trust and Circulation: The story shows how money functions as a medium of exchange based on trust.

Local Economy: It highlights how keeping money local (“circulating” it) can benefit a small community.

There are several ways to think about this parable.

But they all must recognise that these transactions have made no change in any of the residents’ NET wealth.

At the beginning each resident has a $100 liability. Then each acquires an offsetting financial asset of $100. At the end, they all have neither. So the $100 note has simply acted as a clearing mechanism.

If you want to think of the town as a distinct economy, then the rich tourist has temporarily increased the town’s money stock/supply by $100.

In effect, he has made a short-term loan of a new $100 bill, increasing liquidity. The $100 provides the residents with a trusted medium of exchange that allows them to clear their offsetting debts.

Or if you broaden the economy to include the tourist, his short-term loan has provided liquidity through increasing the transactions velocity of money.

If the rich tourist hadn’t provided the loan, any of the residents could have accomplished the same result by borrowing $100 from someone else, assuming that someone else had $100 to lend.

No new goods and services were produced (they had been produced/provided already). But borrowing from the tourist may have cost less interest (zero percent) than otherwise.

A more legalistic analysis might be that the hotel owner only gets a zero percent loan by embezzling: using the tourist’s deposit without permission.

In answer to Timothy’s original question, let’s not add to employers’ existing burdens by making them sort of responsible for helping employees with pre-existing debts.

Maybe send them to debt counselling agencies, if they’re willing to admit to having unmanageable debts in the first place, which sadly many aren’t.


An afterthought..

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“Push me – pull you” in our private markets and our public ones!

I am confronted by four stories on my newsfeed, all of which I know enough about to have a hunch they matter to me, but all of which worry me!

Let’s deal with them one at a time. I went to my Government Gateway and walked in to find a nice surprise. Thanks for the tip-off, if you are on your way to doing your self-assessment, maybe you like me will be among the 5.5m people who overpay tax from time to time,

I will get that printed and framed and hang it in the toilet.


Next to cryptocurrencies.

My friend Ian McKnight and his friends at Cartwright have been badgering me about them as a way of making money. Where does investing end and speculation begin? I am still getting over the history lessons I had when a teenager about the South Sea Bubble.

This is too political, too financial and too complicated. I keep coming back to cryptocurrency with the hope that i will get it, but I keep finding myself repelled.

I understand my tax and am grateful for my conversations with HMRC but , much as I like Ian McKnight and Sam Roberts for explaining how all this works (and can help our pensions to get paid) , I am not there yet!


So to the push me – pull you of private credit

BlackRock tell me that private equity is attractive because it is “less volatile” than the more transparent quoted bond market. This is a little like the with profits attraction late last century where we could get market returns without the risk until it all went wrong and we got rather less return and a lot of volatility. The FT is making the same noises as we heard before Equitable Life and others got into trouble promising everything all at once.

The amount raised from institutions in this region increased by more than 50 per cent in absolute terms from 2024, in a sign of the fast-growing adoption of private assets in this market. Rohé said institutions in Europe such as pension funds have been shifting away from public equities and bonds towards private assets, partly to manage market turbulence and to find investments whose returns were not correlated with movements in stock or bond markets.

“European institutions are allocating more to private markets as they recognise that we are in a new regime with higher volatility and different correlations between bonds and equities,” he told the FT

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And while we are pushing towards private equity we are pulling away from private credit.


Push me pull you wherever you go!

Whether it’s my self-assessment or your crypto-currency. Whether it’s out distrust of private credit on the way out or the way in to private equity from public markets, we seem to be “push me- pull you”.

I never did properly get it!

 

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Reasons to be cheerful : 1-2-3.

Here is how Ian Hogarth sums up his argument in the (Sunday) Times.

Overall, Britain needs to toughen up, fight its own corner, and be less naive in its dealings with inward investors and rival tech hubs. “The biggest risk is we like to pretend tech is this big happy positive sum game where there is no competition,” Hogarth says. “In practice we are competing. If our most incredible founders can’t raise the capital they need, can’t find the talent they need, can’t get the regulation that they need to scale, then they will move to the US.”

Hogarth makes it clear that we have a trillion pound company that we started and which still sits within our shores but it is owned by America.

Many observers of Britain’s technology scene rue losing DeepMind to Google in 2014. Its capable founders had ambitious plans and could not find anyone in Britain who had the vision and cash to help them make them happen. They sold for £400 million when a cheque from the government or a smart domestic investor could have seen DeepMind become Britain’s OpenAI — the latter, set up in 2015, was valued at $500 billion last year.

Which begs the question, what can we – in pensions do – to make sure that we do to back “patriotic winners”?

I will give three reasons to be cheerful (1-2-3)

1.

The first is the saving of the Stagecoach PLC pension scheme which could have been insured, most probably with American ownership of the insurer. It wasn’t; it was transferred to the sponsorship of Aberdeen Group PLC who not only have responsibility for paying bus people’s pension, but the task of investing the money in Stagecoach’s Pension Fund. I

know enough about Aberdeen and Stagecoach’s pension to expect to see money invested for the future (rather than just sitting in corporate bonds). May this deal be the start of more, so that what is left of our closed private DB pension schemes can look more like open DB funded schemes like USS and LGPS.

2.

The second is the impact of the Pension Schemes Bill on DC plans. The workplace DC plans we have the other side of 2030 will be at least £10bn in size and in less than 10 years more than £25bn. They will not be restricted to passive management but doing what Nest and People’s and others are doing and investing for larger and longer.  I do not see competition in years to come being from a race to the bottom on charges, instead competition to pay better pensions, larger and growing faster because they are invested in the kind of long-term assets that DB schemes like USS and LGPS (and Stagecoach) invest in.

3.

The third and most exciting is the CDC UMES scheme, whether for the whole of our lives (starting 2026) or from retirement (2028) we are looking at the kind of pension investors who have the life cycle of a collective scheme.

Because it has a sweet spot so long as it takes contributions and pays pensions, CDC is able to invest rather than selling assets to shorten time horizons (there is no end game).

There are reasons to be cheerful – they are 1-2 and 3. Three reasons to invest in our great patriotic future through our pension schemes which we fund through work and live on when we end our work. We have an infinite life cycle for our pensions and so should Britain, it is the place we will live and die and the place our children and their children will do the same.

You want to be cheerful – don’t you!

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Finfluence; a safer way to learn about money?

There has been a lot of discussion this week about whether we should stop the young from watching things on social media. I wonder if the readers of this blog are not prone to spending too much of their time reading a finfluencer. In general, are you reading watching and listening to your  colleagues and “wannabe colleagues” on social media?

You are reading this blog and the next item is the blog of Darren and Nico, it could be argued that you are spending too much time on your phone or laptop (or desktop or tablet),

This blog publishes to Linkedin ,X  (twitter) , Facebook and BlueSky. I have those I respect who go nowhere near them all and there is particular reservation about X (Steve Webb nearly influenced me off it).

It is clear that young people are more vulnerable to social media as it has been used A Newscast  program, available on BBC’s social media channel explores the subject

Today, its presenters hear from Ian Russell, whose daughter Molly took her own life in 2017.

An inquest found social media content contributed “more than minimally” to Molly’s death. Since then Ian has campaigned for greater safety online. So why is Ian opposed to a ban for under 16s?

Laura and Paddy (the hosts of this podcast) discuss the arguments for and against, and why there seems to be increasing support for the idea in British politics. They also look at what’s happened in Australia, which introduced a ban last year. introduced a ban, Kemi Badenoch has come out to say that if she were in government the Conservative party would follow suit.

Since then, Prime Minister Keir Starmer has said “all options are on the table”  with regards the restriction of the use of social media, both by those who put stuff on and those who imbibe.

Like most people, there are places on social media I will not go and I haven’t followed Steve Webb, mainly because I think that if we go on losing voices like mine, then X becomes the place for a certain type of voice that should be balanced. I no longer get into arguments on twitter and I suspect that the arguments are now anything but liberal (in any sense of that word).

As far as children go, I do not have immediate concern. I am aware that there is no longer “watch with mother”, a program I grew up with 60 years ago. Instead there is a lot of watch without mother because kids are smarter than parents and given access to the web will find a way. Do I see a way of stopping children getting on the web – restricting but not stopping the web’s use, is my best answer.

And you – you are still reading if you’ve got this far and you almost certainly are not young. Social media is replacing for you news papers, terrestrial TV and perhaps those social events that you grew up. Today is a Sunday, will you go to a church, will you go out to lunch , go to a sporting event? Or will you do a web-version? Has the social media you used replaced social events?

I suspect the biggest casualty in terms of revenues is television, the time we spent on TV is now partially spent on social media. Time spent on radio and reading papers is not generating the advertising revenue it did, instead money that is being made comes from the influence that social media has.

Last week, someone who is evidently rather better at many aspects of pensions than me, referred to my skills as a “finfluencer“, which is a word that I have just added to my online dictionary! Am I offering you a safer place to spend your time, is Nico or Darren or were the social media specialists on BBC? Are we redefining our boundaries so we live a safer way or are we throwing our portals (eyes and ears) open to pernicious ideas and views?

I am pretty sure that none of those mentioned above are generating income directly.

Am I really a finfluencer and has that word become useable of me because I learned it and used it on this blog? Is this Government’s financial influence responsible?

We have to think about the responsibility of our statements – we all do – even the DWP.

Ian Russell lost his daughter but uses social media to explain its dark side. His way of speaking on the subject shows that it can do good as well as bad.He is an influencer on influence.

It seems harder in these days of long darkness and good reasons not to go outside, to avoid the web. I should say “thank you” for reading me this far (people do) but I’m not sure that you hang on my words by way of influence. I hope you take a step back and wonder if spending time reading me isn’t time not spent reading , listening to or watching something better. But more challengingly, I hope that you consider the time you spend in direct conversation with those you love , including possibly your God, superior to this conversation.

Have a fulfilling Sunday (or whenever you get to read this blog). The original blog about VFM #142 can be found here. It uses the same images as this one, but in an attempt to finfluence you to my point of view!

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Isn’t “value for money” too late for DC workplace saving?

I enjoyed Kirby Rappell’s explanation of how his firm -” SuperRatings”-  has succeeded in Australia providing consumers with value for money ratings on their “pensions”.

You can hear him talking to Nico and Darren here on  the latest podcast (#142)

If we are in the learning game from Australia, we should start with the biggest learning from the rating of Supers. The lesson is that the value offered by DC workplace pensions does not matter to employers in Australia  though it does matter very much to their employees.

This lesson has not been learned in the UK when our Value For Money assessments will be targeted at employers and not at those who will get paid pensions from the DC pots.

There is no evidence , even where failure is obvious,  that employers turn their back on pension providers either from the publication of absolute or risk adjusted returns.

This is a page ripped out of a report at random. Did it mean anything to savers in  2021 , does it mean anything 5 years later? Did it really change who saved into what by employers?

Employers buy on costs not performance.

The only factor that has bothered employers is the amount their employees have been paying to save and this has been influenced by cost tables (not net performance tables) drawn up by consultants.

The performance numbers become important to consumers when  individuals are given ratings that tell them the amount of pot (and in the future pension) they earn per pound invested by their provider.

Individuals might buy on performance if they got their returns. I am not sure that this discussion tells us very much about what people think that workplace pensions are for , fourteen years on from the outset of auto-enrolment. In Australia, “Supers” are intently compared and individuals decide who will carry their savings using “stapling”.

People will be expecting their pots to pay pensions. In the UK we will be expecting workplace pensions to appear on the pension dashboard and appear they will as pensions.

So with employers showing no interest in anything other than charges and individuals having no idea what they’ve got from their workplace savings other than a pot, it is difficult to see VFM as anything other than a regulatory test. Just what the FCA and TPR will do with the information that they get from VFM returns is unclear.

Where there is a lot of difference between Australia and the UK is that in Australia data is paid for by Supers (master trusts) and in the UK, despite the pound for pound  initiative, there is no use of VFM to improve member outcomes – yet.

There is no obvious reason for the VFM consultation other than to tie the actuaries up for 220 pages in discussion on how best to come up to umbers people aren’t very interested in. But the latest VFM consultation does get one actuarial very excited and I can see that there will be a lot of arm wrestling to come.

We do need to get people a lot more informed about what is happening with their savings but what matters is more than the commutation to tax-free cash. What people need to feel good about is mostly  how their and their employer contributions are converting into pensions and what expectation they can have that those pensions keep pace with inflation.

The Australian experience of VFM as explained by Kirby Rappell has nothing to do with this and is very much about performance measurement. The UK experience of pension VFM may be quite different.

If we are to think of pension saving in the terms that pension dashboard will present outcomes,  then this statement rather blows the VFM estimates out of the water.

Can we do performance measurement very well – anyway!

There is no doubt that many workplace pension providers cannot do performance measurement. AgeWage has been trying to get data for individual savers and we have taken over 10m records through our system.

We have got a composite benchmark return that can be compared to see whether value has been achieved. But most pension schemes we have approached to do measurement have been either unwilling or unable to provide us with information so that we can share it with IGCs , trustees and employers.

When members have been given information on how they have done with each provider they use, they have been able to make comparisons and some have taken decisions to focus on providers who have given them value and take money away from providers that haven’t.

But we have had to withdraw this service because . valuable as it is considered by savers, it required us to be authorised as the scores people got were considered as advice. So long as this is the case, I cannot see how comparisons , of the kind the FCA are proposing, can be distributed to consumers and – since the employers are showing no interest – I suspect that we are requiring all this too late.

We do have a chance to do better on VFM . That is by measuring the progress of contributions to pensions which is what CDC pensions require. I fear that DC saving is too far gone for the proposal the 200 page VFM consultation puts forward.

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Can patients become doctors, can savers become actuaries?

People are confused by pension pots

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Richard has followed MoneyFarm to that conclusion.

Most people understand savings and pensions to be different. Most of us think of pensions not as pots but as pensions that pay us a retirement income for the rest of our life. We aren’t worried about the mechanics . we do worry about the capacity of pensions to keep us paid for as long as we need to be.

Daniela Silcock points out that we have not made it clear why we have pensions – why even a state pension

She has been reading an article I commented on earlier this week..

The FT notes that across the EU, 47% of all social protection spending now goes on old age and survivors’ benefits. That figure is often used to imply excess. On its own, it tells us very little. High spending may reflect demographic change, policy choice, or success in reducing poverty. Without clarity on purpose, the number becomes a talking point rather than evidence.

The same lack of clarity sits underneath debates about the state pension age and the triple lock. These are not technical adjustments. They determine when the state steps in and how much support people receive. Those decisions only make sense once the role of the state pension is defined.

The problem is that the government has not said clearly what the state pension is for, in the world we now live in. Until that question is answered, arguments about cost, pension age, and uprating will remain stuck, and policy will continue to drift by default rather than by design.

The problem is there are so many different answers, each depending who you represent. There are those in policy who grapple with the philosophy of pensions, Daniela is one.

There are those who are a step down, Richard Smith is key, thinking as he does as at a practical level about what people will get.

Finally, there are those in private markets who make their livings out of our savings. These include Moneyfarm and those who make the ABI, Pensions UK and who are regulated by PRA, FCA and TPR (so that they leave enough in the pot for the system to work).

But all these tiers of thinkers and actors in the management of pensions now want it for ordinary people to know what is going on in their finances so that they take responsibility for their later lives.

I am sorry to convey my experiences in recent weeks, but they have happened in hospitals as well as boardrooms and I have been with people bewildered by growing old as well as brilliant thinkers knowing how money works.

What I am sure of , is that patients will not become doctors, savers will not become actuaries and that responsibility for our health as well as our wealth is in the hands of others.

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