Why wait for CDC? We’ll have it out next Tuesday!

In America they have a love for CDC (it’s just the wrong one)

Coffee Morning – CDC – Why wait? 

Attending CPD included

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Are the American 401(K) participants dreaming what Donald Trump’s dreaming?

In last night’s rambling self-promotion by President Trump, we heard among other things of a huge increase in the amount that is in the 401K saver’s plans- across America

I was reminded that Jack Towarnicky promised us his work that explains how 401k work for American workers and here it is. The link is here , it’s four years old but nothing moves fast in the USA when it comes to retirement saving (or so Jack tells me!

Thanks to Jack and no thanks to Donald. I get my views on American retirement planing from someone who’s of Counsel

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The Lords and the Pension Schemes Bill – the game is on for pension surplus!

This comment was fed into my mail yesterday evening by someone who’d watched the debate in the House of Lords about the choices facing trustees and employers with defined benefit pension plans they are responsible for.

Re the Lords and the Pension Bill

On the positive side it was cited that the decisions on the £1.2trn of DB Schemes are of national economic significance. TICK.

The Minister, also as justification for not accepting Ros Altmann amendments cited that both TPR and FRC were on the case and responsible for governance and the framework for endgame innovation. TICK

Also the majority of those commenting commenting on Ros Altmann’s amendments expressed a clear understanding that the insurers were gaming the system for their own financial advantage, with no thought of the impact on the member or the broad economy.

The game is on!


I include this on this blog as an encouragement to any reader to take out 45 minutes of their day and listen to this section of the debate on Monday night (19th Jan) From 18.05.48


This is what you should be watching

I go to lengths to promote this particular piece of the debate because , like my correspondent, I sense that Baroness Altmann has kicked off a game which will play for days , week and months until it becomes clear that an atrocity is happening to DB pensions as atrocious as the LDI calamity in its latter years.

This blog was not quiet between 2016 and October 2022 and it won’t be quiet about the shipping off of our pensions on a banana boat to Bermuda, to be paid (we hope) with guarantees overseen by the PRA but without surplus. The surplus that 75% of our private DB pension plans today, will be used to meet the extreme cost of guaranteed pensions and the healthy margins of bulk purchase annuity insurers.

There was a failure in the lead up to October 2022 budget and that failure is only now being recognised. Clacher, Keating and others had done the maths and explained that LDI at the extreme gearing that it reached was downright dangerous. The cost to our pension schemes of LDI was large and unnecessary .Though it has been justified by the lowering of liabilities by increases in discount rates that came with higher interest rates and gilt yields, the loss of a third of our DB assets to meet pay-back on leverage will not be justified.

Nor will the loss of surplus. This loss will be to insurers offering the chimera of gold plated risk-reduction.

There are other ways for DB plans to carry on

  1. By joining superfunds (not just bridges to buy-out) but those extending the pension schemes over the rest of this century
  2. By finding new sponsors with strong covenants keen to pay pensions (Aberdeen is the first)
  3. By paying the pensions as the original sponsors for as long as need be, recognising that DB pensions are an asset not a liability to sound businesses. I hope that great British companies like BP will look at what much smaller British organisations such as UKAS have done for the good of their pension and the sponsor.

What is most benefit is that the beneficiaries of pension scheme surpluses are paid to members and sponsors in a way that is agreed by all participating parties – trustees, unions members and regulators included.

In years to come we will look back at the words of my correspondent and recognise them an apt commentary on the 45 minutes of the discussion in the Grand Committee Room of the House of Lords.

the insurers were gaming the system for their own financial advantage, with no thought of the impact on the member or the broad economy.

 

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Common Hold will come about because of Harry, Norma and sound politicians

 

Harry Scoffin is a one man source of PR and journalism for a whole class of  flat holders with leasehold that holds them in the grip of freeholders. Norma Cohen is as vigorous a pensioner as Harry is a young adult.

Harry  has discovered Angela Rayner , former deputy leader and now voice for many dispossessed of housing rights, read on..

Later yesterday, Barry Gardiner, another Labour politician who will not be caught in the insidious campaigning of the freeholders

I hope Harry has seen off the use of Pensions UK and other pension bodies to support freeholders who claimed out pensions were being paid by Ground Rent – this was rubbish and lying rubbish and I’m glad that John Chilman (a Railway man) and others put distance from the argument.

It is important that ordinary people are allowed to own property by common hold where they choose to or cannot afford but to, own the rights to their property through leases.

So long as I can help, I will and I hope that Harry’s linked in posts can be amplified by my blogs so that they get into the inboxes of a few influential people. I mean really influential, the people who get bills launched and read and turned to legislation in parliament.

The Labour party, before it came to power, promised us Common Hold just as the Government before had done. There were beacons of good in the former Government, Michael Gove was one. Now Rayner and Gardiner are two in this.

We will get there in the end and at the very least the cost of ground hold will be capped at £250 pa. I would like it to be “peppercorn”, I certainly know of ground rents (my and my partners a case in point) multiples of any cap.

Press on Harry and press on real journalists , mentored by Norma Cohen and writing in her wake.

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CDC session packed out – video if you missed it – more next week!

It is time for a proper discussion of CDC and there is no doubt that there is such demand that we are extending our discussion to next week when we will have the core team (Pension Plowman and Chris Bunford) discussing what can be done now and what should be left till later in the decade.

If you missed this morning’s session (50 of us didn’t) then here it is again.

The issue we want to consider is what are the pros and cons of putting off CDC till at earliest 2028 and probably 2029.

Chris has done some brilliant work maximising pension and minimising volatility (the amount pay can go up and down).

Henry’s job has been to talk with providers of  Master Trusts and Group Personal Pension and to employers who participate in them and run their own occupational schemes.

There’s no doubt that most employers will help staff swell pots and not being accrue pensions till a “retirement CDC” is available.

Corporate Adviser offer a brilliant review of what workplace pensions intend to do and this includes a review of intentions with regards CDC at retirement. Despite the option to, there is no mention of master trusts or other workplace pensions moving to CDC for the beginning of 2027 and for the whole of the saving and spending life!

Most master trusts have another approach in mind …

The master trusts are gearing up to providing retirement income with longevity protection from an annuity

But we don’t have a CDC option to meet the need for retirement income and protection against living too long, not from a retirement CDC plan, not till 2028 at least. So what are people getting excited about CDC?

The question we will have next week is whether to go for a CDC plan for life or just one for retirement. Our view is that if you have a chance to have one for life , you’re better off going that way, but many – including me- are a little late!

Uplift over life – not from a transfer at retirement.

Be there or be square

 

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CDC – your questions addressed and maybe answered! 10.30 today (Tuesday 20th)

 

Join the CDC discussion with those passionately for and against CDC!

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Coffee Morning – The Rise & Rise of CDC –  CPD included

If you get a state pension it makes no odds that you are male or female, that you will live a day or 50 years, your entitlement is precisely the same , it is the state pension

If you buy an individual annuity, you are asked a lot of questions, including where you live (your postcode), your health and what you have to buy and when in your life! Amazingly you are not asked your age though we all know that women live longer than men but the EU forbade annuities taking gender into account so you get a unisex rate.

So how will it work for CDC? Will you be in the unisex world of annuities or will you share everything as you do with state pensions? Of course you are not being paid an annuity or the state pension , you are being paid an occupational pension when you get a CDC pension.

If you are working in an occupation where most people are men are you happy that you could get people who will live (statistically) much longer than you in your scheme. Will women earn more pension for each pound of contribution, will they get a higher cash equivalent transfer value and commutations – because you are a woman?

If you work for Aberdeen and have a cushy office job , do you get the same pension as someone who works at Stagecoach and works as a bus driver – living less long on average?

Or is sharing all about the way the state pension works – where everyone gets the state pension whether a man or a woman, whether a bus driver or a stockbroker , whether having good health or a life threatening illness?

Just how much can we share to make it fair?

You can join the discussion today at 10.30 am using this link.

Or you can but and paste this link into your diary

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The Independent Football Regulator is both a challenge and opportunity

It was good of LCP to offer places to a debate on the IFR to ordinary fans like me who have no interest in the IFR other than the football that we watch.

At the beginning of three hours of debate I voted that I had no view on whether an Independent Football Regulator was going to enhance my experience as a Yeovil Town football and three hours later I had to admit I was no more confident.

But I had spent time with chairs that included Steve Webb and Adrian  Goldberg, two Baggie fans who were articulate beyond the reputation of the West Midlands!

I had also had the time to listen to Phil Alexander, the CEO of the National League in which Yeovil sits and which will be regulated by the IFR (despite it not being a Premier or an English league). I also heard a Norwich Union Executive (Zoe Webber) – a fine contributor and the only female out of fifteen panelist and speakers.

What became clear is that in terms of governance that there are different standards for male and female football and as the IFR does not operate for female football, I am not quite sure that it is a “good thing”.

Bart Huby, an old friend – along with goalkeeper and striker Frank Doyle,work for LCP in making football better understood in terms of regulation of its governance. My question submitted to the meeting was “why when football is in such good shape, so many football clubs are going bust”.

I am glad that it was given a discussion and in the spirit of the event delivered by those such as Bart and Frank.

In the South and West of England we have the following clubs, all of whom have had major problems this century

Torquay

Exeter

Yeovil

the Bristol clubs

Bournemouth

Portsmouth

Brighton

Wales generally

My appeal to those at the IFL whose ear Frank , Bart and others seem to have , is it that we ensure the pyramid is continued so that money in the Premier trinkles down through the EFL to the National League. It is becoming apparent that those like the Manchester, Liverpool and London super clubs that two squads are being kept in place to meet fresh challenges of European and English leagues (this is not the case in Scotland though Celtic and Rangers would like it to be).

To me an essential task of the IFR is to make sure we recognise that the concept of a European Super League has not gone away but has simply crept in via the back door.

The imbalance between the West and South  and the East generally (which are football poor) and the geographically rich are issues for the IFR and I want to see a plan to rebalance this country’s football capacity rather than see the European super league at the backdoor. I do not want to see the Premier League going the way of franchises in the USA. We should continue to have a pyramid that gives opportunities for clubs to rise and fall up and down.

That’s why I see the IFR as a challenge and an opportunity.  Others saw opportunities elsewhere!

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Pension’s past is in DB and it’s future in CDC – as debated by the Lords last night.

There are two big issues in private pensions  under consideration. The first is the future and in particular the value for money we get from workplace pensions we pay into now and into future. Here we can include what we see on the pension dashboard and how we get our pensions paid (CDC being a major development, “flex and fix appearing to be the upcoming alternative).

You are worried that these are not taking precedence in the Lords which met to discuss DB and how they present the choices that trustees and employers have to the millions of us who still get paid defined benefit pensions. I can see your point, DB has dominated trustee meetings over DC and it’s easy to see the amendments discussed by Sharon Bowles, Ros Altmann, Bryn Davies  and after being introduced yesterday – David Pitt-Watson as “more of the same”.

But the amendment that I helped on , on TAS 300 (V2) is anything but “more of the same”! It  is the first chance we have had to discuss the relative merits of DB scheme running on , invested for surplus. The alternative, the de-risking of our once great DB system , is at last being debated as perhaps as much a failure to DB as “lifestyle” has become to DC.

I will be able to report on what happened yesterday afternoon and evening better later today. As I write I have not  had time to find out how how the discussion went in every detail.

But the meat of this debate was about the use of DB surplus and in particular the need for DB schemes to run on to make use of the surplus 75% of DB schemes are currently in.

The debate happened following a development in DB pensions.  Stagecoach and Aberdeen broke the mould on DB de-risking and have taken on a new approach to the investment of tens of  thousands of bus-drivers pensions, is a big move forward and the discussion of TAS 300 in the upper house is another.

If we get a positive move on DB, it will feed through to DC pensions too. It will lead to a third force (CDC) getting a boost.

Bryn Davies

Bryn brought important thoughts on terminology and on this

Altmann brought (amendment  33 and 33a ) a  requirement on actuaries bringing options to the notice of trustees and members.  This is at 18.05  and onwards.

It is a robust debate that follows and I strongly recommend you listen through to 18.45.

Most of the work on this amendment has been done by William McGrath and lately by John Hamilton and his advisers . They get name checked so  does the recent transfer of Stagecoach’s scheme to Aberdeen’s sponsorship.

Bryn Davies pushes back on the use of legislation to direct actuaries to do certain things. He points out that the FRC and IFOA both have responsibility for actuarial behaviour.

Maybe he is right but the moral weight of the debate seems to have been with Altmann. The Minister (for pensions in the upper house sides with Bryn Davies), Baroness Sherlock OBE is that lady.

The amendment is not going to be taken forward but the debate has happened. Baroness Altmann has withdrawn the amendment “with great regret”. She cites the pressure that John Hamilton was put on not to keep his pension running and this is on the record.

Amendment 10 is held.

Others brought requests that surplus is used to ensure that members with no increases since 1997  and before get back payment and forward increases.

BP’s case was mentioned despite the amendments on pension increases being withdrawn.

 

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CAN CDC BE FAIR ENOUGH TO SHARE? 10.30 am tomorrow (Tuesday 20th)

 

Join the CDC discussion with those passionately for and against CDC!

Join here

Coffee Morning – The Rise & Rise of CDC –  CPD included

If you get a state pension it makes no odds that you are male or female, that you will live a day or 50 years, your entitlement is precisely the same , it is the state pension

If you buy an individual annuity, you are asked a lot of questions, including where you live (your postcode), your health and what you have to buy and when in your life! Amazingly you are not asked your age though we all know that women live longer than men but the EU forbade annuities taking gender into account so you get a unisex rate.

So how will it work for CDC? Will you be in the unisex world of annuities or will you share everything as you do with state pensions? Of course you are not being paid an annuity or the state pension , you are being paid an occupational pension when you get a CDC pension.

If you are working in an occupation where most people are men are you happy that you could get people who will live (statistically) much longer than you in your scheme. Will women earn more pension for each pound of contribution, will they get a higher cash equivalent transfer value and commutations – because you are a woman?

If you work for Aberdeen and have a cushy office job , do you get the same pension as someone who works at Stagecoach and works as a bus driver – living less long on average?

Or is sharing all about the way the state pension works – where everyone gets the state pension whether a man or a woman, whether a bus driver or a stockbroker , whether having good health or a life threatening illness?

Just how much can we share to make it fair?

You can join the discussion tomorrow at 10.30 am using this link.

Or you can but and paste this link into your diary

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Jack explains plans American retirement plan loans

This article came from a comment by Jack Towarnicky

It comes as we consider the question  raised by timothy Lancaster;-  “should we help employees in debt before encouraging saving.”

I don’t know what the rules are in the UK, but in the states, 80+% of 401k plans in the states have a ready made solution – 401k plan loans. All qualified plans, including pension plans, could permit plan loans.

Plan loans are tax-free liquidity.

Done right”, plan loans improve both household wealth AND retirement preparation.


The process is:

Save

Get employer match

Invest

Accumulate earnings

Borrow to meet a short term need

Adjust your asset allocation because the plan loan principal never leaves the plan but becomes a different kind of fixed income investment

Repay the loan which continuing to make regular contributions

Rebuild the account for a future, larger need

Repeat as necessary up to and throughout retirement


What is “done right?”

Done right includes three features:

First, electronic banking. Essential because, at least in the states, people frequently change employers, median tenure of American workers has been less than 5 years for the past 7 decades.

Second, a line of credit structure. Essential so that people know what liquidity they have access to on any given day, that there are minimal limits on the number of times individuals can access liquidity, so hat they do not borrow more than they need to meet a specific need.

Third, behavioral economics tools, processes and concepts designed to maximize the likelihood of repayment. Essential options include authorizing repayment from the individual’s bank account (so that an interruption in employment isn’t an interruption in repayment), reporting the loan to the credit bureaus, having the participant effect a “commitment bond” – a promise to repay, having the participant sign off on the loan application as both the borrower (current self) and lender (future self), having the participant confirm that they have access to liquidity from another source should employment end.


Why will this improve both household wealth and retirement preparation?

First, the individual won’t take the plan loan unless it is superior to other liquidity sources – meaning that it will have a favorable impact on household wealth compared to say a cash advance on a credit card or a personal loan.

And, for the past 18 years, the plan loan interest rate is typically less than the rate on debt from a commercial source, and greater than the rate on fixed income investments offered within 401k plans.


More reading

See: https://www.federalreserve.gov/pubs/feds/2008/200842/200842pap.pdf

See: https://401kspecialistmag.com/top-10-401k-plan-loan-myths-misdirections-and-misrepresentations/

See: https://401kspecialistmag.com/more-leakage-deeper-in-debt/

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