(NO) time to hit the pensions panic button.

Those over the age of 55 are panicking over the possibility that the chancellor could slice the cap on tax-free cash to as low as £100,000. I do not think this will happen, but many people with large pensions are not willing to take this chance, and wealth managers report a surge in withdrawals. – Claer Barrett

The ambiguity in the title is painful. This is not the time to hit the pensions panic button, that time was this time last month and if you are still waiting to get your tax -free cash through Flexi-Access Drawdown, then you are in for a fortnight of squeaky-bum as you wait for the money to transfer to your account – or worse- arrive as a cheque!

And there is “no-time” for those who are starting the process. Having been through it, I would say that if you are in a workplace pension, you have left it too late and you may have to wait on the platform and watch your train pull out

This blog is speculative, as all thinking on budget pension measures are. But this blog is not about what the Chancellor will do, but what ordinary people with their tax-free cash being spoken for , are going through as the panic mounts. What I am writing about is customer service and there is nothing speculative about mine, the quality I have experienced has  been poor

Speculation over what will happen

Claer thinks that shaving the tax-free cash sum to £100,000 is unlikely, because it will really annoy NHS Consultants , who apparently are the old greys who do the whistle test. Annoy them and you won’t get them going into work. Fine state of affairs this is.

I think that the Chancellor should not tax savings with national insurance on employer contributions, partly because the public has heard the message “no changes to national insurance “, not the nuanced message about types of national insurance; partly because tax-free cash is a raid on pensions. You simply lose a quarter of your potential pension if you lose the tax-free cash. That most people have no idea how to get a pension from their pension is another thing. We need to sort that out too, but Reeves should start by creating a culture of pension savings when “pension” stands for lifetime income, not a Lamborghini.

Let’s face it, if you have a tax-free cash sum of more than £100,000, you have a pot of more than £400,000 and you are more likely to be buying Lambos than Mondeos.

I couldn’t afford not to pay off my mortgage which is interest only and runs out in two years. I simply don’t have a plan B, I had to take my cash or risk not being able to extend the loan. I took my money and hated having to do it (I didn’t take my cash from my occupational scheme as I want pension not cash). This is my story.


Quality of Service

Of the holy trinity of Value For Money measures which include performance and charges, the third “quality of service” is the least definable. Like background music, service is best when it isn’t noticed and becomes an issue when it is front of mind.

I received a couple of hundred thousand pounds from Legal & General , it hit my back account after five weeks of sending in forms and fretting about things getting lost in the post. The money arrived at 8.30 am and I got a text alert. By 9 am I had paid off my mortgage. That is the quality of service I get from First Direct and I get it from Starling Bank too. I get text alerts on unusual transactions , I can replace my bank card in my apple wallet with a phone call.  But if I want to take money from my pension- it takes five weeks.

And I’m one of the lucky ones. My other pension pot is with Nest. To get my tax-free cash from Nest I have to transfer my pension to a SIPP provider that can give me my tax-free cash without me cashing in my pension. With Nest there is no such option – there is no flexi-access drawdown despite it being ten years since pension freedom was announced. So unless you want to enter into the Nest Wallet arrangement, you are into T+ a few weeks.

I wrote to my friend Richard Hardy at Nest – there is no nicer man. He wrote back and said that flexi-access was on its way but… I had also got a whole load of requirements I had to meet to transfer my money which assumed I was transferring to an occupational pension scheme. I wasn’t – well not yet. Transferring a workplace pension to a SIPP requires a degree in financial planning and a CF16/17 compliance qualification – or perhaps a Bee- Keeper.

My money is still with Nest – trapped by bureaucracy – it is too late to move it, my attempt at forestalling never got off the ground. I suspect I am not the only one grinding my teeth.

What my experience of wanting to take control of my personal and workplace pension is that despite me taking all the risk of making the wrong decision, making any decision is pretty tough.

There could be hundreds of thousands of people in SIPPs, workplace DC plans and in DB pensions who will have thought about but failed to realise their pension plans before October 30th and they will all be waiting nervously for the Chancellor’s pronouncement.

If there is an overnight reduction in tax-free cash or some equally draconian forestalling measure, then it won’t just by Rachel Reeves who will be feeling the heat,

Penson companies that operate on antique systems with “lipstick on the pig” front ends, are getting found out and I expect many will fall short on the quality of service metric for value for money as a result. Chronic lack of investment in the member experience and in particular “at retirement decumulation” options, is catching up with them. The 700,000 or so of us who are reaching retirement and hitting five week + delays in drawing down cash are realising that the fees paid on our mature pots are not providing value for money. I paid L&G over £3,000 last year and have been paying them a similar amounts for the last decade. Nest took nearly 2% of my money on the way in and charge me a third of a percent on my money but the service I get from them at retirement is truly awful.

The VFM reports from L&G’s IGC and Nest’s Chair of Trustee tell me I am getting value for money, but I disagree. I know what good quality of service is and I’m not getting it. October 30th could be the day or reckoning for our pension behemoths and if they are found wanting, they can’t say they weren’t warned.

About henry tapper

Founder of the Pension PlayPen,, partner of Stella, father of Olly . I am the Pension Plowman
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8 Responses to (NO) time to hit the pensions panic button.

  1. John Mather says:

    Advisers have been doing Commencement lump sum to ISA strips since 2006 when this attack on pensions had the thin end of the wedge inserted so this is not a new trend just an extension of a relentless attack.

    Debt servicing and pension benefits are at worrying levels as set out in a recent press release and associated analysis.

    https://ifs.org.uk/news/budget-decisions-tax-spending-and-debt-could-shape-domestic-policy-whole-parliament

    AIM & IHT adjustments are overdue

  2. Edmund Truell says:

    Forget the tax ‘panic’. The issue is, as Henry points out the service levels, mind numbing complexity and self-interested blocks to transfers out are unforgivable. Two of my sons tried on 12th August to transfer their Standard Life pension. Only on 7th October did we finally get to talk to someone sensible; and that was after a level of perseverance, knowledge and pension industry access that is not available to 99.9% of the population. So, if Henry and I cannot make it happen…

    • jnamdoc says:

      LOL. Welcome to the start reality that pension managers face every day. It’s what you get with compulsory systems. I can’t think of a sector where the actual customer (ie the member / saver) is treated with such disdain and given no voice.

      And of course the insurers will claim they have resources and admin to hoover up £50bn pa of bulk transfers. From those I spoke to, anyone on the other side of these transactions has the scars to prove it, but all are keeping their heads down, both rubbing thenbwashing their hands and moving on, leaving the voiceless member to deal with it.

  3. Pete says:

    Aon told me in September that it would take 5 working days! When the papers arrived they said ‘UP TO’ 22 working days that put me bang on 30 October from the date the papers were sent electronically. It now seems they only started the clock when the originals were received and they are already late on stage 1 – 5 working days to check the application form! What a joke!

  4. PensionsOldie says:

    After discussion with my [soon to retire] financial advisor, I recently moved my pension pots out of traditional insurance company personal pension products into two separate self-managed online SIPPs with different providers. The contrast in the service levels I experience couldn’t be greater with the SIPPs acting on my instructions immediately (or within 24 hours of the appropriate market opening) and where they couldn’t be completed immediately such as with the transfer ins, which took about 4 weeks despite the absence of any “red flag” issues, I received frequent updates albeit computer generated but no less useful to me for that. Oh! and the charges are miniscule in comparison (AMC of 0.03% and negligible transaction costs apart from fund managers entry and exit fees and stamp duty where appropriate).
    I have decided not to drawdown any cash free sums at the present time. However if I had, I feel confident I would have been able to disinvest and have the cash in my bank account within a week or even less if I was disinvesting from daily quoted investments.
    Yes I am pensions literate and regarded as a professional investor, but service levels and charges are understood by most of those holding pension pots outside of default employer schemes. I cannot see a future for the traditional insurance company personal pension or annuity products. This is probably why they are so keen to (mis)sell their over-priced risk transfer products to corporates and regulators!

  5. Richard Chilton says:

    5 weeks to get your money sounds really quick. To get started on one DB pension that had a commercial AVC provider (to provide the PCLS) took 10 months.

  6. PensionsOldie says:

    A reduction to £100,000 would not only impose an unavoidable tax charge on not just NHS consultants but any long service public sector worker on a pensionable salary of £66,666 or more. This brings most Ward Sisters and Nurse Specialists in the NHS and civil servants at Grade 6 and above into scope at present but further down the scale in the future with inflation. This is unlikely to go down well with the unions and affect morale which the Government has made efforts to address.
    I should perhaps add the reason I have not drawn down tax free cash at present is not because I think the allowance will not be changed. Being mortgage free etc. I do not have any immediate cash needs and I am still contributing into my pots while tax relief is still available to me. My objective being to build up funds available to me to draw on in even later life should I need to start paying self-funded care costs (at present £85K p.a. in my area) or alternatively pass onto my designated beneficiaries (subject to the appropriate tax).

  7. henry tapper says:

    I have seldom had such a varied and interesting postbag to a blog- thanks to everyone for their comments

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