Can I do my own pension?

 

I am thinking about my future pension , this is because I have just got my Nest annual pension statement.

I turn to the Office of National Statistics to find out my life expectancy

Which tells me

So if I plan to spend my pot by 85 , there’s a real chance I could spend the last 15 years of my life skint.

My Nest statement is downloadable , so hear it is.

The key numbers for me are in the snip below. Like Richard Smith , I’ve pushed back my retirement date as far as I can so I can be invested for longer

My pot will have risen in 14 years from £21,000 to £29,000 -disappointing . By waiting till I’m 77, I cam expect a pension exchange rate of 10 to one. My pension needs to pay for 10 years for me to get my money back- that’s two years longer than my life expectancy. Patience doesn’t seem a virtue.

So I’m not happy to wait till 2038 and the numbers I have in my statement are no longer accurate anyway. Four months have passed between the date of calculation and the date of my statement. I wondered what would happen if I tried to calculate my prospective pension myself (based on the much higher value of my pension today)

I’m glad Nest offers me a chance to work out my pension for myself

The calculator tells me what my pot will be but it does not tell me the income that pot will provide. There is however

Here things start getting really difficult

Going back to the ONS calculator, I discover that were  I a woman I could expect to live till 87. So why am I getting the same retirement income calculation as my female equivalent.

And as I delve deeper into the information given me by Nest , I read

Ok – now I’m getting to the heart of the beast, TM1 is an actuarially agreed standard created by the Financial Reporting Council

The FRC offer a helpful podcast explaining how TM1 was created. It’s standardising things to make sure that the pension dashboards don’t cause more trouble than they solve.

Unfortunately, despite the optimism of the participants, I don’t think this podcast is going to make it to the top of the playlists.

Nest, tries help me too, publishing a document that talks me through how my projections are calculated from which the information above is taken. Download here


But has this information got me any further?

Well first of all, I am a little frustrated that I can’t get a more up to date statement. If I had used my most recent statement on July 1st, my numbers would be 16 months old ( a point raised by Richard in his article on dashboard readiness in Pension Week

Secondly, I recognise the need to give consistent projections but the consistency is about the anticipated returns on assets, not the asset allocation. This means that pots can be projected to grow faster if invested in racy assets than in boring safe assets. So my pension will show better if I am invested in racy assets as I’ve chosen to by pushing my target date out till 2038.

But I’m much more concerned about the projections of retirement income which seem to be encouraging me to take no tax free cash, guarantee my pension will be paid and not include increases  in my pension.

The 3.7% interest rate for me as a 74 year old is hardly generous, right now I can get an interest rate of  well over 6% as a 62 year old.

In short, I am none the wiser about what my future income is likely to be from my Nest pension. The SMPI methodology is hopeless in telling me what I am going to get. That is not its fault, there just is no such certainty in a world where we are targeting pots of wealth not pensions.


Can I do this myself?

Frankly , having tried my hardest to understand the assumptions that go into paying me a pension, I have absolutely no idea what is coming up or what I should do.

I can see that the FRC, Nest and the ONS are trying to help and I found out for myself most of what I needed to make sense of projections. But even if I can get consistent projections from my provider or via the dashboard, I have been given no idea about how to get the annuity which my projections are based on.

The Government is committed to delivering an obligation on the trustees of occupational pension schemes to provide a default means to turn pots to pensions but the complexity I’ve encountered means that there needs to be something way more obvious than the course of action suggested by the SMPI illustration.

700,000 people a year find themselves in this corridor of uncertainty asking the question, can I do my own pension. I fear that only a handful can say “yes”.

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6 Responses to Can I do my own pension?

  1. John Mather says:

    Surely the investment performance should be x% over inflation.
    Then consider the probability of death

    According to the ONS’s “Life Tables, England and Wales: 2019-2021” report, the probability of survival and probability of death for a 62-year-old male in good health can be estimated as follows:

    Age 65:

    Probability of survival: 0.923 (or 92.3%)
    Probability of death: 0.077 (or 7.7%)
    Age 70:

    Probability of survival: 0.855 (or 85.5%)
    Probability of death: 0.145 (or 14.5%)
    Age 75:

    Probability of survival: 0.785 (or 78.5%)
    Probability of death: 0.215 (or 21.5%)
    Age 80:

    Probability of survival: 0.714 (or 71.4%)
    Probability of death: 0.286 (or 28.6%)
    Age 85:

    Probability of survival: 0.644 (or 64.4%)
    Probability of death: 0.356 (or 35.6%)

    Of course you want the pension in payment to maintain its purchasing power and have you considered if this should be a joint life income.

    You could always get an IFA to help but get one 10-15 years younger in good health.

    What is the life expect of the provider?.

    Clients want a simpler answer

    I targeted 30 x my desired income as a fund and 3% withdrawal it seems to be working so far I assumed survival to age 100 of my spouse (10 years younger)

    • John Mather says:

      Then again I probably won’t be around to see if the last 14 years went according to plan.

    • John Mather says:

      However I probably won’t be around to see the last 14 years of the plan.

  2. Outsider-looking-in says:

    If anyone wants to better understand annuity options and how they affect the payouts there is a useful tool available at https://www.moneyhelper.org.uk/en/pensions-and-retirement/taking-your-pension/compare-annuities

  3. PensionsOldie says:

    At least Nest considers investment returns in terms of inflation plus.

    This is in complete contrast to the DB pensions universe who are entirely fixated on Gilts plus investment returns and discount rates. Gilt yields are entirely irrelevant to the payment of pensions by any pension scheme – see my comments on https://henrytapper.com/2024/08/02/isio-finds-confidence-trustee-confidence-to-run-on-improving/

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